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Koret Senior Fellow in Education and Senior Director of PRI’s Center for Education Lance Izumi discusses the latest topics in the education reform movement with guest host Katy Grimes on the “The Phil Cowan Show” on KTKZ AM 1380 in Sacramento. The interview begins at the 1:28 mark.
